Ever since we traded in our office outfits for more casual WFH wardrobes, sweatpants have skyrocketed from the bottom drawer to the forefront of our closets. And, with winter in full effect, there's no better choice in versatile stay-at-home attire than this loungewear staple. In an effort to narrow down the best of the best, we went straight to the sweatpants' source: you.
We started our hunt inside Refinery29's Slack channels, where a passionate discussion ensued about which sweatpants reign supreme. We then asked our dedicated readers (aka you!) to spill the beans on which comfy pants are must-buy material — and the ensuing style recs did not disappoint. Read on to peep what we, you, and your crew are lounging in (with sweatpant-selfies included): there's everything from cotton-fleece classics perfect for working cross-legged on the couch to modern-tailored pairs stylish enough to wear with loafers for a masked coffee run.
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Lululemon Scuba High-Rise Jogger Fleece
"I've had these pants for a few years and they STILL win my #1 Quarantine Sweats award. They are warm and presentable enough to wear to the grocery store but also comfy enough to hop in bed with. Most of my other sweats are under $20 and on their last leg (no pun intended), so sometimes paying extra actually goes a long way. Lululemon sweatpants are dangerous because I want to wear them all of the time, but I feel like that's how you know you snagged a great pair of sweats." - Alexandra Polk, R29 Lifestyle Writer
Lululemon Scuba High-Rise JoggerFleece 28", $, available at Lululemon
Vuori Performance Jogger
"I found my dream pair of sweatpants last year and my life is forever changed. Vuori Performance Joggers are cozy, buttery soft, and look great too! I plan to wear them every Saturday until the day I die. They come in regular and long, which means they aren't too long for my 5-foot frame." - Carolyn, R29 reader
"When it comes to sweatpants, the softer the better for me. This Kendal Pant from LEZÉ The Label is the closest thing I've felt to a cloud and makes any lazy day that much more put-together in my opinion. It's also made with a recycled fishing net fabric which gives it sustainable bonus points as well. I love to pair it with the matching Athena Sweater for a monochromatic look or a button-down." - Megan, R29 reader
LEZÉ The Label Kendal Pant, $, available at LEZÉ The Label
Skims Cozy Knit Jogger
When it comes to soft-as-butter fabrics, Kim Kardashian's loungewear brand Skims knows a thing or two. (For proof, check out our R29 Style review of the viral, oft sold-out Skims Soft Lounge Long Slip Dress.) So it only makes sense Skims rules in the sweats category as well. "The fabric is so soft and comfy it's like wearing a blanket and nothing at the same time," R29 reader Frances told us. Made from a soft boucle yarn, this jogger is ultra plush, has generous stretch, and fits on the baggier side.
"Working at home means I can mostly dress however I want — which means I can just lounge around in t-shirts and sweatpants!
I super love these Boyfriend Wide Sweatpants from Aritzia! They're nice and soft to the touch which makes them very comfortable to wear. I also love how they're thick and warm but don't get me sweaty. They're available in lots of gorgeous colors and even have matching sets for t-shirts! They also have special sizes, especially for tall people — which can be very rare to find. The sizing that can be seen on the website is pretty accurate so buying online isn't too much of a problem. I already have around three pairs of these, and sometimes I get to lend these to my friends when they stay over, and they also love it!" - Sherry, owner ofPetsolino
TNA Cozy Fleece Boyfriend Wide Sweatpant, $, available at Aritzia
Senna Case Rayne Jogger
"These Senna Case Rayne joggers are by far my favorite pair of sweats. The fabric is buttery soft and I love the waffle accent. The fit is cozy, the feel is incredible, and the fact that I can match my kids if I want is icing on the cake! ;) They are my go-to for lounging, coffee outings, and the airport." - Chantelle, R29 reader
Senna Case Rayne Jogger Adult, $, available at Senna Case
For Days Cool Days Jogger
"As a marathon runner I love activewear, but loungewear is also entirely necessary for rest days. This past fall I found the last pair of sweatpants I will ever need. I've been interested in a less wasteful lifestyle and found the company For Days. Their mission is to create recyclable, circular fashion and I'm here for it. These Cool Days Joggers are made with 100% organic cotton, and they're extremely comfortable. My favorite part is the stitching on the upper inseam which makes it easy to move around. I also love the depth and material of the pockets. The added bonus with buying these sweatpants is that when I'm done using them I'll send them back to For Days for credit towards my next purchase. Comfortable AND practical." - Amanda, running blogger
For Days Cool Days Jogger, $, available at For Days
Edify Nori Organic Wide Leg Pant
"The Organic Wide Leg Pant is my holy grail of sweatpants because I truly NEVER take them off! They are breathable, comfortable, and perfect for lounging. The cropped wide leg adds a fun detail that sets them apart from your average sweatpant or jogger. I can throw them on with any top (dressed up or down) and leave the house… AND they are the most affordable sustainable and organic lounge pant I have come across! Bonus that I can still wear them comfortably while 5 months pregnant!” - Rachel, entrepreneur & stylist
Edify Nori Organic Wide Leg Pant, $, available at Edify
Willow Dance Women's Cinch Bottom Sweatpants
"I found these sweatpants on Amazon (because that’s the easy and lazy way of buying clothes, and quite often you end up getting lucky with your finds). And I was so pleasantly surprised by them! I use them during my morning stretches and exercises, but I also use them in the evenings when I’m lounging around the house, and they are seriously the most comfortable pair of sweatpants I own. The material is really light (despite looking thick), which I love because they’re extra breathable and basically feel as though I’m in pajamas. (I got the beige ones, but if you check the Amazon listing they’re available in lots of colors!)." - Billie, R29 reader
Willow Dance Women's Cinch Bottom Sweatpants, $, available at Amazon
Thread and Supply Jacey Jogger
"My favorite pair of sweatpants are the Jacey Joggers from Thread and Supply. They're SO SOFT, the most comfortable material I've ever worn! I have them in avocado, and the pink is pretty too!" says R29 reader Amanda. For those who are interested in swapping out all their cozy essentials with more sustainable options, eco-conscious Thread and Supply prides itself on only using organic, natural,low-impact, or recycled fibers.
AE Aerie ANYTIME® The Sweat High Waisted Jogger, $, available at AE
Dedicated. Jogger Lund Mushrooms Off-White
"I don’t own many sweatpants but the pair I wear every day, to lounge around the apartment, is ridiculously comfy. They're made from super soft and high-quality organic cotton by the Swedish brand Dedicated. Despite being a petite female, I wear their men’s joggers because, for one, they have much cooler prints (the style I own is currently available in a mushroom print), and secondly, I want them to be loose and oversized for maximum comfort. I rotate between the two pairs of sweatpants I own from this brand and I wouldn’t hesitate to buy another pair. And don’t tell anyone but I basically lived in them during lockdown so I can whole-heartedly vouch for how comfy and cozy they are." - Michelle,fashion blogger
Dedicated Jogger Lund Mushrooms Off-White, $, available at Dedicated
Athleta Balance Jogger
"I've been living in my Balance Jogger from Athleta. They're so soft and warm and great for layering. Instead of being fitted like most activewear joggers, the Balance Jogger is a more relaxed fit that doesn't feel frumpy. I got them in black and I'm tempted to get them in at least one more color." - Kimberlee, R29 reader
"I own a few pairs of the BALEAF Evo Athletic Joggers. These are comfortable and made from a breathable, sweat-absorbing material. I like that the drawcords are internal so it doesn’t bunch up and gets undone while I’m working out. The tapered ankle cuffs also mean I can do yoga with ease." - Allana, certified sleep science coach
Baleaf Women's Quick-Dry Zippered Pockets Joggers, $, available at Amazon
Lark Adventurewear Women's Coziest Jogger
"I'm writing to tell you about the ULTIMATE sweatpants!! Lark Adventurewear's Coziest Joggers!! I have worked around fabrics for a long time, and I have truly never felt a fabric like this. They are SO SOFT, and breathable. When you put them on it's like you're not even wearing pants, I know that sounds crazy, but you have to feel it to believe it. :) They are cut so they are still stylish enough to run errands in, but also perfect for lounging and doing nothing. I have them in all of the colors that they make! Game changers!! :)" - Aire, R29 reader
Lark Adventurewear Womens Coziest Jogger, $, available at Lark Adventurewear
American Giant Everyday Vintage Sweatpant
"I actually have the best sweatpants for you. The Everyday Vintage Sweatpant from American Giant is super soft and cozy and structured enough for me to feel comfortable going out in public in it. A sweatpant that can transition from WFH to picking up takeout is crucial to me, but surprisingly hard to find given how thin some can be. This sweatpant doesn't fall victim to those woes." - Anna, R29 reader
American Giant Everyday Vintage Sweatpant, $, available at American Giant
BAREFOOT DREAMS CozyChic Lite Jogger Pant
"I live in sweatpants these days, so I'd like to think I have become a connoisseur of loungewear. My favorite sweatpants are the Barefoot Dreams Cozy Chic Joggers. I love anything by Barefoot Dreams, and I'll wear the entire Cozy Chic set for days on end. Keeps me warm now that it's winter, but I wore it all throughout the summer too without overheating. Plus, they're comfortable enough to wear to bed and cute enough to wear during the day. There's no need for changing into your day sweatpants from pajama pants with these!" - Jennifer, R29 reader
BAREFOOT DREAMS® CozyChic Lite® Jogger Pant, $, available at Barefoot Dreams
Lights Lacquer Muy Cozy Sweatpants
R29 reader Kathleen's favorite sweatpants are the Muy Cozy jogger from US brand Lights Label, which is an in-house collection from Lights Lacquer. The brand is known for true at-home essentials if you plan on staying in and staying warm, and the Muy Cozy line also includes a long-sleeve, t-shirt, sweatpants, and, a first-ever hoodie.
Lights Lacquer Muy Cozy Sweatpants, $, available at Lights Lacquer
Zella Live In Pocket Joggers
"These Zella joggers are my favorite pair of sweatpants to both lounge in and run errands in. They’re lightweight which is perfect for the South (where I live) and they have a slim profile which I appreciate since I’m petite. They come in a variety of neutral colors so you can leave the house in them without feeling like a slob. Best of all, they feel like butter!" - Katie, R29 reader
Zella Live In Pocket Joggers, $, available at Nordstrom
Ilana Kohn Terry Abe Pant
"I’ve never been much of a loungewear gal. But since I got these a little over a year ago, I can’t wear anything else. They’re not only comfy but cool enough to go out and about and get all the compliments!" - Chichi Offor, R29 Affiliate Associate Writer
Ilana Kohn Terry Abe Pant, $, available at Ilana Kohn
Tentree French Terry Fulton Jogger
"My favorite sweatpants for working from home is this one by Tentree," says R29 reader Ashi. "It's lightweight and soft. Looks cute and is super comfy. Works for outdoors too. Best of all, it's sustainable, vegan, and ethically sourced." Plus, for every purchase you make, Tentree — true to its name — plants 10 trees somewhere in the world as a way to "give back" to the earth.
Tentree French Terry Fulton Jogger, $, available at Tentree
PUMA Women's Classics Relaxed Joggers
"These casual joggers are my favorite sweatpants, and I have them in a variety of colors since they are so comfortable and relaxed. They're nice and cozy, and they're also ideal for workouts. I always have these on. I usually match them with crop tops and jackets. It's a must-have if you want something that looks stylish while still being comfortable." - Natalie, R29 reader
PUMA Women's Classics Relaxed Joggers, $, available at Amazon
Colorfulkoala Women's High Waisted Joggers
"As a mom of two who spends an embarrassing amount of time working from home in my sweatpants, I’d love to tell you about Colorfulkoala's high-waisted sweatpants. I can jog in them when I’m feeling energetic and have some spare time, and they’re also super comfy for lounging. I appreciate the high waistband because I hate having to tug up pants all day long. The pockets don’t bulge on the sides, and these pants are fashionable enough to wear without looking frumpy. They’re a little pricey for sweatpants but worth it!" - Shannon, editor ofThe Design Home
Colorfulkoala Women's High Waisted Joggers, $, available at Amazon
Kotn Ribbed Lounge Pant
"My favourite pair of sweatpants are a flared, ribbed pair from Canadian brand Kotn. They're honestly like wearing a cloud and when paired with the matching relaxed polo, make me feel put together on work Zoom calls." - Katherine Singh, R29 Canada Staff Writer
"Made from pure cotton material that is also breathable, these sweatpants are suitable for lounging, jogging, and other activities that require comfort doing while at home. A stand-out feature of the sweatpants is that they also include pockets for storing things and aesthetics when wearing them. I recommend their high-quality material that is easily washable by hand and machine." - Harriet, marketing director
NOMINATE Women Sweatpants with Pockets, $, available at Amazon
Z Supply Classic Gym Jogger
“My favorite go-to jogger is from the Z Supply collection, the Classic Gym Jogger, which is designed in soft fleece fabric and comes in so many colorways. They are so super soft, inside and outside, and are perfect for lounging or running errands with a casual-cool look. They are sweatpants, but elevated.” - Mandy, R29 reader
Z Supply Classic Gym Jogger, $, available at Z Supply
SY Jogger
“The SY Jogger is my favorite thing to wear during the week when I’m running around— especially as a mom and a business owner. These pants are so comfortable and transitional. I wear them all day from taking my kids to school to running meetings in my office and from catching up on errands to working out. They are built for women on the go and I need all the help I can get! Seriously, I plan on buying all of these in different colors.” - Beth, R29 reader
"My favorite sweatpants are from Coolibar! They are CRAZY comfortable, flattering, and they’re UPF 50+ meaning they block 98% of UVA/UVB rays. To ensure you wear them when you need them most — when the sun is high — they also wick moisture in order to keep you cool while wearing them in the sun." - Michelle, R29 reader
Coolibar Women's Maho Weekend Pants UPF 50+, $, available at Coolibar
On Sweat Pants
"The sweatpants from On are my go-to pair. From WFH to running errands, these sweats are a must, and it's honestly hard to find an excuse to take them off. They're thick enough to keep me warm, but On's technology ensures that I won't get too hot (they're intended for warming-up/cooling-down, post-run and after-training recovery, but I wear them just about anywhere). Honestly, my only complaint is they don't come in more colors!" - Sabrina, R29 reader
"I love my Babes Comfy Collection sweats (and everything by them, really). The joggers are comfortable, thick enough to wear any color underwear underneath, and have stood the test of time without getting those annoying lint balls. I ended up getting a few colors and the matching hoodies! Bonus points that the brand is Black woman-owned and size-inclusive." - Brittany, R29 reader
WEXIST Inc FW20 Unisex Black Cotton Fleece Joggers
"As a tall girl, I used to dread the thought of cold weather because finding pants long enough were too short! Of course, I could wear men's clothing but I could do without the venti crouch! So in 2020, I launched my first pair of cotton fleece joggers exclusively for tall girls. They are the best joggers ever, even better than most major retailers. Here's why: They're made with the softest cotton fleece, they come in sizes S-4X with long inseams that range 35-39.5 inches, are shrinkage-free, have been seen on WNBA players, and are 100% made for tall women in mind. They have received over 100 reviews and remain a bestseller two years later." - Anita, R29 reader
WEXIST Inc FW20 Unisex Black Cotton Fleece Joggers, $, available at WEXIST Inc
Girlfriend Collective ReSet Jogger
"Sustainable, recycled materials, body positivity, gender fluid, neutral — best company ever. It’s what we need in 2021," says R29 reader and Girlfriend Collective fan Katie. Almost every style from the eco-conscious activewear brand tends to have a cult following and these recycled plastic joggers are no exception — they boast a perfect 5 stars from 2,210 reviews. "I live in them while I WFH, but they still look presentable enough that I don't feel underdressed in public," writes reviewer Celia."
Girlfriend Collective ReSet Jogger, $, available at Girlfriend co
Eddie Bauer Cozy Camp Fleece Jogger Pants
"I love these Eddie Bauer joggers because they are super comfortable, but they have a nice fitting structure so they look cute too," says Anne-Marie, founder of Bramble Berry Handcraft Provisions. "They have definitely become a go-to for me!" And, if you need any more convincing, these sweats pull in an impressive ranking of 4.5 stars and 518 reviews and have found a particular cult following amongst tall women: "They are the perfect length for 38' inseam" and "Thrilled to have long (tall sizes) in a sweatpant," write two long-legged customers.
Eddie Bauer Cozy Camp Fleece Jogger Pants, $, available at Eddie Bauer
Richer Poorer Recycled Fleece Sweatpant
"I love these sweatpants because they're just the right amount of baggy without being extremely oversized (I'm 5'1" for reference). They're super soft, come in a nice range of interesting colors, and are made of 40% recycled materials." - Kate Spencer, R29 Affiliate Strategist
Richer Poorer Recycled Fleece Sweatpant, $, available at Richer Poorer
Pangaia 365 Signature Track Pants
"They're incredibly cozy and the most comfortable pair I own. The company is dedicated to helping save the environment by using as many sustainable and recyclable materials as possible. Knowing they're eco-friendly makes the splurge all the more gratifying." - Roxy, R29 reader
Pangaia 365 Signature Track Pants, $, available at Pangaia
Wild Fable High-Rise Sweatpants
"I found these sweatpants during one of my (many) emotional support trips to my favorite suburban Target. At the time, they looked like any other sweatpants I was seeing all over. But they were $15 and high-waisted apparently. I picked up the matching cropped crewneck as well and boom — just like that they became my top-tier sweatsuit. I love the way the high-waisted sweatpants look paired with the oversized cropped crewneck. I feel a tad more put together than I do when I'm wearing my saggy-butt sweatpants that I've had since the beginning of lockdown. I will be purchasing another color as soon as they're back in stock in my sizes!" - Hannah Bullion, R29 Social Media Editor
Wild Fable Women's High-Rise Sweatpants, $, available at Target
Tna Cozy Fleece Mega Sweatpant
"I have these in white so they feel like fancy sweats (or maybe that’s because I'm afraid to stain them?). Either way, I'm super happy with this purchase," says Nadia Ebrahim, R29 Assistant Editor of these Aritzia sweatpants. Available in three fabrications, three inseam options, and 32 colors, there's a jogger for everyone. Plus, with a rating of 4.5 stars and 458 reviews, it's no wonder these sweats are an all-time Aritzia fave.
TNA Cozy Fleece Mega Sweatpant, $, available at Aritzia
Softwear Women's Jogger
"As the name suggests, there are the softest sweatpants and comfiest sweatpants that I have ever tried. I put them on — with the matching sweatshirt — as soon as they come out of the dryer." - Irina Grechko, R29 Fashion Director
"The quality is amazing and I love the fact that the tie-dye is unique to every set. The colors allow me to match with any hoodie in my closet. " - Marissa, R29 reader
Uprisers Gaia Dye Bottoms, $, available at Uprisers
Dear Golden Downy Knit Lounge Pant
"I don’t know the brand of these but they’re from my favorite boutique in Ann Arbor, Michigan called Dear Golden. I get complimented on them incessantly and they’re insanely comfortable." - Marie, R29 reader
Dear Golden Downy Knit Lounge Pant, $, available at Dear Golden
LA12ST Soft Jogger Pants
"These sweatpants are some of the softest things I have ever felt. They have a more tapered fit so they look more pulled together when you go out for your daily quarantine vitamin D walk. The material is a similar softness to the holy grail align leggings but the loser jogger fit somehow makes it more comfortable - which I didn't even think was possible. Plus - prime, under $15 bucks, there's not much more you can ask for" - Jen, R29 reader
"Storyline Collection Perfect Pant A.K.A. my straight leg sweatpants. I love the fabric (soft, four-way stretch, moisture-wicking). I can wear them to lounge on the couch, do yoga, attend a zoom meeting, go to the grocery, whatever my life story is that day." - Amy, R29 reader
"These are the best looking, best made, most comfortable pair of sweatpants I have ever worn. I immediately ordered two more pairs. They wash beautifully and I am glad to see they are offering new colors for the spring. Worth every penny. I also ordered some tops, but they haven't arrived yet. Highly, highly recommend." - Frances, R29 reader
Haven Well Within Lightweight Cloud Fleece Jogger, $, available at Haven Well Within
Bobeau Brushed Jogger Pant
"I'm obsessed with my Bobeau Brushed Jogger Pants. They are as soft as a newborn kitten's fur, lightweight, and incredibly cozy. I actually got them prior to the pandemic, but dug them out of the back of my closet when I realized we'd be hunkering down and working from home long term. You can wear them to a Zoom meeting or sleep in them. And of all the pants I've worn in my time on this Earth, this is the pair that comes the closest to making feel like I'm wearing none at all." - Molly Longman, R29 Senior Staff Writer
"First, it's soooo soft with stretch and fabric return. Second, it's long enough (I take a 30" inseam). Third, I can wear it super casually with a t-shirt, sneakers, or mules and a cashmere sweater. And fourth, it's easily washable and dryable! Truthfully, all of Lou&Grey's clothing, leggings, and especially the sweater sweats have dominated my wardrobe for months now." - Larissa, R29 Reader
Lou & Grey Lou & Grey Signature Softblend Wide Leg Pants, $, available at LOFT
Puma Essentials Sweatpants
"I was definitely late to the sweatpant party over the past year, not because I have anything against the (formerly controversial) garment, but because up until recently everything in my closet could be categorized as either outdoor clothes or pajamas, with little room (literally, it's a pretty small closet) for something in between. But I eventually gave into the appeal of sweatpants as hybrid attire when I found this pair by Puma: structured enough to work with an oversized blazer à la Hailey Bieber for lockdown walks, yet roomy enough to support an hours-long Netflix binge." - Amanda Randone, R29 Freelance Writer
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PUMA Women's Essentials Sweatpants, $, available at Amazon
Hanes Men's Ultimate Cotton Fleece Pant
"They are inexpensive (!!), they have pockets, they cinch at the bottom, they're mostly cotton. They're a great classic sweatpant. They're men's, so I used the size chart to figure out my size; they were WAY too big, but they shrunk to perfect after one wash." - Mirel Zaman, R29 Sr. Health & Wellness Editor
Hanes Men's Ultimate Cotton Fleece Pant, $, available at Amazon
Province Of Canada Skinny French Terry Sweatpant
"These unisex darlings are slim fit (so I can almost pretend they are jeans) and so soft and fuzzy on the inside. Plus, they are made in Canada! Tip: Size up for a slouchy Hailey Bieber-inspired look." - Carli Whitwell, R29 Canada Deputy Editor
Province of Canada Skinny French Terry Sweatpant, $, available at Province of Canada
Adidas Adicolor Classics 3-Stripes Pants
"I have spent the entire pandemic in these pants. I got a pair in April and have barely taken them off. They are perfectly high rise, neutral so they go with everything, and totally stylish enough to still wear to the grocery store when I can't be bothered to put jeans on." - Hannah Rimm, R29 Lifestyle & Money Diaries Associate Editor
Adidas Adicolor Classics 3-Stripes Pants, $, available at Adidas
MATE Organic Terry Front Pocket Sweatpant
"While these pear-colored sweats certainly cost a pretty penny, they've proven themselves to be well worth the investment. They strike the ideal balance of being comfy enough to sleep in (crafted from a very soft organic-cotton terry) while also cute enough to dress up (thanks to a retro-style crop-flare/high-low hem). I appreciate the deep front pockets (for stuffing my always cold hands into) and the addition of a drawstring waist (that I can either loosen or tighten depending on the day I'm having). If you're still guffawing at the $$$, then consider this: all of MATE's pieces are sustainably made here in the U.S. with a localized supply chain and the use of recycled shipping practices." – Elizabeth Buxton, R29 Editor
Mate Organic Terry Front Pocket Sweatpant, $, available at Mate the Label
Blackbough Swim Chase Sweatpants
"Still not over tie-dyed fleece, the fabric of our quarantine lives, and this Creamsicle-colored pair has proven to be unusually useful in a season where a Trophy Pant is crucial (because your legs are all you can see under a big coat). The slightly cropped trouser break is great with mini Uggs and a clashy sock, and the front is cut flat enough to not puff out, while still leaving enough slack to do a Chloe Ting abs routine without any crotch ride-up." - Chelsea, R29 Staffer
Blackbough Swim Chase Sweatpants, $, available at Blackbough Swim
Uniqlo Pile-Lined Sweatpants
"I literally have nothing bad to say about these Uniqlo sweatpants, which I own in charcoal grey. The price is right, the fleece lining is deliciously soft, and they magically don’t make the lower half of body look like a potato. As a 5'2" petite queen, shopping for pants (of any kind) can sometimes be a struggle, but the length of these ankle-length sweats is truly perfect." - Karina Hoshikawa, R29 Beauty & Wellness Writer
Uniqlo Pile-Lined Sweatpants, $, available at Uniqlo
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